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Posted by: linux_china Posted on: 2004-08-27 12:13 希望不要被Eclipse迷打  ，原文 http://www.intellij.net/forums/thread.jsp?forum=22&thread=107355&tstart=0&trange=15to say something good about IDEA after some time  I tried Eclipse these days - *although* my time is limited and I have bugs to fix. First I was very impressed with 3.0, project setup was releatively easy, now that I already know how to use "link to filesystem" for adding source folders. It has copied most features from IDEA, free profiler plugin available etc. I was *VERY* impressed by the startup performance of Eclipse itself (with big projects open), and also when launchig apps from Eclipse. On the other hand, sometimes it was noticably slow to just navigate to another source file. Btw., Eclipse has a cyclic buffer for the console output Other coolnesses in Eclipse: - if you navigate to a .class you can really easily attach the sources for it. And also E. makes it very clear if the source for a java class is available at multiple locations (jar, folders etc) - Code templates have access to selection (multi line only) But here is the downside, that almost drove me mad after a few hours: 1. Congratulations to the IDEA screen estate handling!!! With E. I could not get it right to have sufficient space for the code editor window, while also the outline is visible. 2. VERY GOOD keyboard support in IDEA, e.g. for quick fixes that can be accepted by alt enter. in E. you have to target the gutter icon and doubleclick... it sounds not that spectacular, but the usabilty of IDEA is a lot better because of these two items. Michael Damberger wrote: > 1. Congratulations to the IDEA screen estate > handling!!! With E. I could not get it right to have > sufficient space for the code editor window, while also > the outline is visible. You can drag the code outline where you want it to be. > 2. VERY GOOD keyboard support in IDEA, > e.g. for quick fixes that can be accepted by alt enter. > in E. you have to target the gutter icon and doubleclick... Ctrl + 1 is the the according shortcut in Eclipse. The problem for "us (IDEA users)" is, that we are used to keyboard shortcuts in IDEA. Almost all the shortcuts are also present in Eclipse, but they are diffent. But I think, IDEA is still a bit ahead of Eclipse in terms of usability. e.g. Web development is much harder in Eclipse. There are plugins out there to make this easier, but you have to invest time to find the right plugin for you. With IDEA, there is no need for such a plugin. With IDEA, it is also much easier to find the right plugin for you thanks to the great plugin manager. In Eclipse you have to search and install every plugin by hand. Funny, last few months I spent my spare time playing with Eclipse - actually did my everyday development there. The impressions are VERY similar to yours: - it's very nice and practically all Java dev. features are there - what's not there, you can find plugins that add it for you (code assist, etc.) - several things are superior to IDEA, for example: - marking packages with errors (or file tabs) - filtering (in views, searches, everywhere) - still, there are areas where IDEA is better: - keyboard work style support (no mouse) - JSP (and J2EE in general) is better in IDEA (even very nice plugin MyEclipse doesn't get close to IDEA) However, some of the differences can be easily erased: - Eclipse filtering can be fixed in IDEA by extending the scope concept to be named persistent and little more flexible - IDEA keyboard support can be introduced to Eclipse (perhaps just better default set of shortcuts - to many important actions are not assigned to anything) - web dev support in Eclipse will eventually get strong with the new webtools project (IBM contributing) - IDEA can again return to UI LaF and update the look to current trends (the IDEA UI now seems little "retro", even with Windoze L&F) -? not sure about error marking Neither of the list can be probably exhaustive. This is just quick addition from top of my hat. P.S. Returned to IDEA after all. But will not promise staying here forever - need JB to stay focused and highly competitive... | |
| 2.Re:why IDEA is still better then Eclipse(ZT from www.intellij.net) [Re: linux_china] | Copy to clipboard |
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Posted by: bbbaby Posted on: 2004-08-27 14:09 Just so so~ | |
| 3.Re:why IDEA is still better then Eclipse(ZT from www.intellij.net) [Re: linux_china] | Copy to clipboard |
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Posted by: zerol Posted on: 2004-08-27 14:24 I prefer Eclipse's UI to IDEA's 
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| 4.Re:why IDEA is still better then Eclipse(ZT from www.intellij.net) [Re: linux_china] | Copy to clipboard |
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Posted by: xml1123 Posted on: 2004-09-02 13:25 别忘了，至少有一点，Eclipse是开源的，免费的，IDEA呢？ | |
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Posted by: janage Posted on: 2004-09-02 20:28 IDEA的默认字体好难看（在WinXP 简体中文下）。 IDEA不免费，如果用不解的东东。个人觉得还不如用JBuilder，虽然JBuilder有不好的地方。 | |
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Posted by: janage Posted on: 2004-09-02 20:31 个人觉得现在Windows下最好的开发工具是 VS.Net，Delphi 。可惜都不是Java的开发工具。 所以现在公司用java写代码，个人用c#写东东玩。 | |
| 7.Re:why IDEA is still better then Eclipse(ZT from www.intellij.net) [Re: linux_china] | Copy to clipboard |
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Posted by: BlurEyes Posted on: 2004-09-02 21:24 VS.net is rubbish if there is no resharp. | |
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Posted by: Starcraft Posted on: 2004-09-03 00:01 再怎么说我也不会用idea作主ide的...用eclipse习惯了。 我个人非常不习惯idea...... | |
| 9.Re:why IDEA is still better then Eclipse(ZT from www.intellij.net) [Re: BlurEyes] | Copy to clipboard |
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Posted by: Jove Posted on: 2004-09-03 09:06 BlurEyes wrote: VS.NET的代码编辑确实比较弱 | |
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Posted by: wongze Posted on: 2004-09-03 09:16 用习惯IDEA再去用Eclipse，你会感觉到Eclipse的笨拙。毕竟是要付钱，人家很用心的在做，而Eclipse感觉很不稳定，经常出问题。 | |
| 11.Re:why IDEA is still better then Eclipse(ZT from www.intellij.net) [Re: janage] | Copy to clipboard |
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Posted by: linux_china Posted on: 2004-09-03 11:17 janage wrote: 默认的字体确实不好看，你可以适当地调整一下，就没问题啦。字体好看与否，关键还的看个人的审美观吧！
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Posted by: felexs Posted on: 2004-09-03 12:26 晕，试了半天都没能在IDEA4.51中搞掂TOMCAT5 JSP调试。好像IDEA的文档太少了。 | |
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Posted by: amfat Posted on: 2004-09-08 22:24 IDEA的文档也不算少~~~ 我个人感觉IDEA比Eclipse要人性化~~~ 毕竟用了很长时间的IDEA和JBUILDER 现在用起Eclipse。因为它免费。用起来心里也舒服。 不过确实感觉IDEA是最优秀的。 | |
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Posted by: GumPGZ Posted on: 2004-09-09 12:39 eclipse才是垃圾，eclipse的功能更新总是跟在idea屁股后面，除了插件，swt， eclispe还不如ue呢 | |
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