floater wrote:
Financial industry can't use hibernate since it can't integrate stored procedures(unless you do the dirty work). iBATIS is more realistic for us.

floater wrote:
Struts seems in favor for new new J2EE developers with 1-2 year experience, but not for some of us. Even if Struts has more shares, I just don't see the logic why it's better than Spring.

Spring is fairly new, and not easy for new comers.

floater wrote:
Spring is pretty stable. I trust this because you could read Rod's logic from his book. A person writting a book like that, just can't do anything to sink the ship. I bet my shoes once you are on this ship, you won't go off(well, unless you gf asks you to get off). The risk is smaller than Struts in terms of unpredictable changes.

floater wrote:
If you have questions on Spring, just throw in here. I might not be able to answer all of them(which is Rod's job), but at least we could discuss them.

haibo wrote:
就是spring不知道release的版本是否稳定,而且又缺少对spring框架系统全面介绍的书籍出现，对于项目方案选择有很大风险

wes109 wrote:
以前我也有这方面的担心。。。
但对Spirng Framework有了更深入的了解之后，这种担心更多的变成了信心。

我觉得Spring真正的卖点并不是什么Ioc、什么aop，这些只是它实现的基础，更多的是它对现有技术的封装、整合和增强， jdbc、orm、transaction management 、web、web MVC等。就像一个武器库，十八般兵器，样样俱全。。。

Spirng在设计上非常强调简单性和一致性，简约的配置文件风格，各个组件的实现一致性，小到包名、类名等命名都体现一种统一的风格。Rod特别强调了命名，还有注释，不知道为什么那么多人喜欢吹嘘“自解释”，说什么我的方法，我的命名都是“自解释”的，说什么文档不重要，说什么我崇尚敏捷，我喜欢简单。。。我看你是弱智！整个一傻大帽，没有认识到文档的重要性，等于没有学好编程！ 撤得远了

对Spring还是很有信心的，希望更深入了解后能多做一些实际的东东。
引用“多隆”（就不用我具体说是谁了吧？hoho~~~）的一句话：
高手，是练出来di

haibo wrote:
记得Gof在《design pattern》中说过在编写类，库，框架三者之中，框架是最难的，框架是一种更高层次的重用，因此设计要求很高。对框架的精妙设计的理解在于对没有框架的情况下，你能做什么，不能做什么，做什么很麻烦的理解深度有多深。。。

多一些自主的冷静的思考,不要盲目跟什么"潮流",尤其是没有真正看清楚潮流背后的东西之前

floater wrote:
My boss is on my neck now, so I can't spare time to come up a doc for db/orm. Not sure whether folks in here are willing come up a team to practice and write up a doc for db/orm, it will benefit everyone.

hncszy wrote:
http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2004/04/07/wiringwebapps.html

听说老美干活大多用“struts+spring+hibernate”这种架构……

Overview of framework architecture with Struts, Spring, and Hibernate.

realwangx wrote:
能不能够把整合struts+spring+hibernate三者的配置方法讲一讲，可能是小儿科的问题，见笑了。