Topic: Eclipse/XDE/clearCase/cvs/clearquest初探

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1.Eclipse/XDE/clearCase/cvs/clearquest初探 Copy to clipboard
Posted by: robinhoodx
Posted on: 2003-04-03 13:38

eclipse不用多说,大家用一用就知道它的好处了。不过有一点是控件奇多,选一套完整好用的搭配需要摸索。也可以用wsad5免不少麻烦,缺点是太慢,512M以下劝你别玩。

Clearcase是一个很不错的配置管理工具,跟eclipse无缝集成,就是概念有些复杂,server的破解有问题(我用的是LT正式花钱版,流行的那个破解不能用,那位高手破解了请不吝赐教),适合大团队的开发。辅以clearquest提供了完整的软件配置管理方案,缺陷管理跟踪,UCM活动任务分配管理,能达到一种比较完美的管理控制境界--项目经理制定计划(project2000),然后导入到clearquest中,然后定义开发的工作流程步骤,再把这些任务和相关的设计文档、要求分配给团队各个成员,各成员打开工作环境可以看到自己要做的工作(活动),在eclipse环境下coci,rebase,deliver,直到完成任务,工作流流转到下一个节点(如:测试、审核、校验等);若缺陷发生,可以在任何地方由任何人用浏览器提交缺陷汇报,然后再到开发团队走刚才描述的流程。

cvs也非常好用,而且免费,NT下也可快速搭建server,跟eclipse集成的也不错,我一般工作使用Clearcase,自己或跟同事做点小东西时用cvs。

eclipse提供了一个通用的平台,在这个平台上可以开发编程相关的任何应用,搭建成一个完整的生命周期开发环境,XDE,TWSE的加入就是要完善ALM的重要的一步。

上班了,下次有时间再探讨。

2.Re:Eclipse/XDE/clearCase/cvs/clearquest初探 [Re: robinhoodx] Copy to clipboard
Posted by: gunrose
Posted on: 2003-04-04 09:37

看得不过瘾,再多写点让我们学习学习。看样子,你上面说的每一点都可以写成一篇文章来详细解释

3.Re:Eclipse/XDE/clearCase/cvs/clearquest初探 [Re: robinhoodx] Copy to clipboard
Posted by: bluntsword
Posted on: 2003-04-04 10:27

请问哪位在单机上成功安装ClearCase么?LT也行。

4.Re:Eclipse/XDE/clearCase/cvs/clearquest初探 [Re: gunrose] Copy to clipboard
Posted by: robinhoodx
Posted on: 2003-04-04 10:41

gunrose wrote:
看得不过瘾,再多写点让我们学习学习。看样子,你上面说的每一点都可以写成一篇文章来详细解释

gunrose我现在忙里偷闲,正在学习整理最近所学的东西,我的输入速度很慢,请等一些天。要学习的东西太多了。cjsdn是个好地方,高手如云,多向大家学习。

5.Re:Eclipse/XDE/clearCase/cvs/clearquest初探 [Re: bluntsword] Copy to clipboard
Posted by: robinhoodx
Posted on: 2003-04-04 11:07

bluntsword wrote:
请问哪位在单机上成功安装ClearCase么?LT也行。

我单位装成了LT server,不过是花钱买的,4万rmb,client可以破解,server不知道怎么搞,郁闷,Hah?
据说clearcase2002版的破解不完全,我曾经试着装过,花了几天,差点被搞死了,后来才知道识破解不完全的问题。装好了也只能是以administrator登陆,失去了用它工作的意义,不过学习一下还是可以用的,我开始怀疑那个破解是不是rational自己做的。clearcase4.2破解还好用,不过好像还没有UCM的概念,那样的话跟cvs差别就不大了。

再问一声,有没有那位高手搞定clearcase的破解?

6.Re:Eclipse/XDE/clearCase/cvs/clearquest初探 [Re: robinhoodx] Copy to clipboard
Posted by: bluntsword
Posted on: 2003-04-04 13:14

在单机上能装么?

7.Re:Eclipse/XDE/clearCase/cvs/clearquest初探 [Re: bluntsword] Copy to clipboard
Posted by: robinhoodx
Posted on: 2003-04-04 15:48

bluntsword wrote:
在单机上能装么?

我想应该可以吧。好像可以添加一个loopback的协议网卡来解决,看别人那么做过,不知如何具体操作。好像也可以选择local安装,就不用考虑单机的问题了,如图,我试过但是没成功就放弃了。
server必须安装active directory,并且设置为域服务器,然后指定CLEARCASE_PRIMARY_GROUP等等,一年前装的用到现在也忘的差不多了,看来及时写文档真是必要啊。

据说:“clearcase的破解现在只有4。2版本的比较好用,2002的破解还没有发现可以使用的 “

8.Re:Eclipse/XDE/clearCase/cvs/clearquest初探 [Re: robinhoodx] Copy to clipboard
Posted by: bluntsword
Posted on: 2003-04-04 19:11

robinhoodx wrote:
我想应该可以吧。好像可以添加一个loopback的协议网卡来解决,看别人那么做过,不知如何具体操作。好像也可以选择local安装,就不用考虑单机的问题了,如图,我试过但是没成功就放弃了。
server必须安装active directory,并且设置为域服务器,然后指定CLEARCASE_PRIMARY_GROUP等等,一年前装的用到现在也忘的差不多了,看来及时写文档真是必要啊。

据说:“clearcase的破解现在只有4。2版本的比较好用,2002的破解还没有发现可以使用的 “


那么我的系统是Win2k Pro,看来是没法安装了?

9.Re:Eclipse/XDE/clearCase/cvs/clearquest初探 [Re: bluntsword] Copy to clipboard
Posted by: robinhoodx
Posted on: 2003-04-04 20:20

bluntsword wrote:
那么我的系统是Win2k Pro,看来是没法安装了?

可以。我说的server是指clearcase的server, win2kprofessional可以安装。

10.Re:Eclipse/XDE/clearCase/cvs/clearquest初探 [Re: robinhoodx] Copy to clipboard
Posted by: bluntsword
Posted on: 2003-04-04 22:09

robinhoodx wrote:
可以。我说的server是指clearcase的server, win2kprofessional可以安装。


Win2k Pro好像无法设成域服务器吧?

11.Re:Eclipse/XDE/clearCase/cvs/clearquest初探 [Re: bluntsword] Copy to clipboard
Posted by: robinhoodx
Posted on: 2003-04-04 23:34

bluntsword wrote:
Win2k Pro好像无法设成域服务器吧?

是吗?不好意思,我一直用的是win2kserver。
刚查了LT安装文档,没说必须是win2k server。你先看看,明天我再找clearcase完全版的文档。第14,15页。

实在不行,就用cvs吧,大多数的开源项目都是用它开发的。
clearcase与rational的其他工具组合得很完美,不过容易上瘾,上套后就甩不掉了。大团队交流管理不容易,还是值得一用的。

cc_install.cclt.suite.win.pdf (218.96k)

12.Re:Eclipse/XDE/clearCase/cvs/clearquest初探 [Re: robinhoodx] Copy to clipboard
Posted by: floater
Posted on: 2003-04-05 00:38

I personally think clearcase is replacable, but clearquest is one of a kind(so is the combination).

We need the tools like clearquest to gauge the change sets, a collection of lines of code spreaded in different fies, served for single purposes.

13.Re:Eclipse/XDE/clearCase/cvs/clearquest初探 [Re: floater] Copy to clipboard
Posted by: robinhoodx
Posted on: 2003-04-06 15:15

floater wrote:
I personally think clearcase is replacable, but clearquest is one of a kind(so is the combination).

We need the tools like clearquest to gauge the change sets, a collection of lines of code spreaded in different fies, served for single purposes.

yeah. I agree clearcase is replacable.
since clearquest's crack is quite available, the combination of cvs(or other CM tool)+clearquest, might be a good choice.
Or like the development process of eclipse, adopting cvs+bugzilla(defect tracking tool under linux)+well-designed development plan, standards and stategies, should also help R&D teams manage complex process, prevent development entropy and avoid chaos and finally achieve their aim of high quality and efficency.

14.Re:Eclipse/XDE/clearCase/cvs/clearquest初探 [Re: robinhoodx] Copy to clipboard
Posted by: floater
Posted on: 2003-04-07 10:50

robinhoodx wrote:
yeah. I agree clearcase is replacable.
since clearquest's crack is quite available, the combination of cvs(or other CM tool)+clearquest, might be a good choice.
Or like the development process of eclipse, adopting cvs+bugzilla(defect tracking tool under linux)+well-designed development plan, standards and stategies, should also help R&D teams manage complex process, prevent development entropy and avoid chaos and finally achieve their aim of high quality and efficency.

do you know whether cvs and clearquest could be bundled together in such a way that we could know from a Change request which files are modified in cvs?

Thanks.

15.Re:Eclipse/XDE/clearCase/cvs/clearquest初探 [Re: floater] Copy to clipboard
Posted by: robinhoodx
Posted on: 2003-04-07 21:53

floater wrote:
do you know whether cvs and clearquest could be bundled together in such a way that we could know from a Change request which files are modified in cvs?

Thanks.

Firstly I have to say that, since I have been trying to implement the RUP and its CASE tools in my development team, I am still a beginner who is eagerly learning them and don't have too much hand-on experience.
I find that there is a package in clearquest Designer for its integration with VSS, which means vss+clearquest is available, but only on defect tracking(not available for tracking modified files on Enhancement Requirement and BaseCMactivity).
Unfortunately I didn't find a package for the integration of cvs and cq. But I think we could use cq as a common change recorder and process control tool, certainly without the automation tracking modification like in clearcase.

16.Re:Eclipse/XDE/clearCase/cvs/clearquest初探 [Re: robinhoodx] Copy to clipboard
Posted by: robinhoodx
Posted on: 2003-04-07 22:44

Just now I tested clearquest's common usage(without ucm version tracking) as a change tracking tool and found its functions are not bad.
we could use it separately as a common change tracking tool and development workflow control tool without the function of version tracking. Except the schemas, Enterprise and Unified Change Management, all other schemas are ok for us to build our change tracking database.

17.Re:Eclipse/XDE/clearCase/cvs/clearquest初探 [Re: robinhoodx] Copy to clipboard
Posted by: floater
Posted on: 2003-04-08 02:48

Thanks for the info, buddy!

Since there are several versions of cvs, maybe this is the reason they can't build a universal plugin.

18.Re:Eclipse/XDE/clearCase/cvs/clearquest初探 [Re: floater] Copy to clipboard
Posted by: robinhoodx
Posted on: 2003-04-08 15:06

floater wrote:
Thanks for the info, buddy!

Since there are several versions of cvs, maybe this is the reason they can't build a universal plugin.

It's my great pleasure to provide you some info, big boss^.^
yeah, it might be the reason or maybe opensource soft is usually the enemy of commercial one.

19.Re:Eclipse/XDE/clearCase/cvs/clearquest初探 [Re: robinhoodx] Copy to clipboard
Posted by: mazalet
Posted on: 2003-05-15 18:23

我提一个建议,那为大哥可以把以上的配置方法和软件的使用作个教程,
工我们初雪的人好好学习以下,我处处装了下下,只是郁闷中


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